Racing Engine Pictures

[Bob Holmes]

Let's use this thread to archive pictures of racing engines. It can be very instructive to look at what other folks are doing. I'll add some pics that I've run across for the Roush Trans Am turbo-4 effort. I'd really like to see any pictures that anyone might have for Rick Byrnes Bonneville record breaking Merkur engine, Huber's Mustang, etc. You get the idea. While I would prefer racing engines, well modified high performance engines and engine bays are acceptable. I'd also encourage the posting of any pictures that are instructive for efforts related to turbo-4 racing engines. F1 turbo era pics, Cosworth turbo Indy engines, etc. If you post a pic of a stock engine, don't get miffed if it disappears. Bob

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/horsewidower/Engine/Roush_XR4Ti_6.jpg


The engine bay for the Blue Bitch:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/horsewidower/Engine/P1030427.jpg

[Patrick]

Not a Turbo, but it sure is eye candy. 834 HP on 87 octane and 10 to 1 compression.

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[Bob Holmes]

How many cubes, Mr. Pat?

[Patrick]

510 inches. You can visit it in April. It's pretty much a coffee table until the budget for custom headers gets taken care of.

[MikeFleming]

In the first pic of the Ford turbo engine, notice the added coolant outlet lines above each exhaust valve. That was required to push the engine/head combo above 350HP reliably (continously). Then they had crank, rod and piston pin problems at 400. Seems that when one of those fails, the others weren't far behind.

[Raven855]

So do we start another thread with car pics too?

[Bob Holmes]

Racecars, or Cars? I'll make one for racecars here.

[Bob Holmes]

In the first pic of the Ford turbo engine, notice the added coolant outlet lines above each exhaust valve. That was required to push the engine/head combo above 350HP reliably (continously). Then they had crank, rod and piston pin problems at 400. Seems that when one of those fails, the others weren't far behind.

Were those outlets or inlets? They have the same on the intake side. I just can't find that picture.

I've often thought about adding those to my set-up. Basically teeing off of the block at the same location as the turbo water supply. Wouldn't be that hard to do.

[MikeFleming]

Cold coolant comes out of the lower radiator hose into the front of the block via the water pump hole and flows rearwards past the cylinders. Then up into the rear of the head, then forward through the head, past the combustion chambers and spark plug holes to the thermostat housing hole in the front of the head. Then onto the upper radiator hose for cooling again.

There are also small holes between the cylinders to the head in the head gasket to help release gas pressure and to assist in liquid filling without leaving gas pockets behind.

[Bob Holmes]

Yep, that's my understanding.

So how does that tell us how the flow occurs with the exterior lines? Not being argumentative, just wondering how we know?

[Patrick]

Block and head coolant pressure between the water pump and the thermostat housing restrictor is greater than that in the rest of the cooling system. The greater pressure coolant is forced to migrate to the lower pressure area.

[Raven855]

On Ricks engine he copied the cooling modification(drilling additional holes in the block,head and gasket) from the small block Chevy. Specifically the 400 which had a different block the 350. The bores are siamezed and, although he did no testing, he felt it did no harm and probably helped. The coolant lines to the side of the head were tested and they definitely helped. He was also running a water pump that flowed considerably more coolant.

[MikeFleming]

Iirc they first added those holes to vent the vapors and gas pockets (boiled coolant) that formed around the exhaust ports and spark plug areas in the head. Coolant would boil there and not provide any cooling and things went downhill rather quickly.

I also seem to recall that many racers on turboford.net were commenting on similar issues with Esslingers aluminum D-Port head - about poor coolant flow around the exhaust port

[Patrick]

You didn't specify an automotive engine. Here is the Cobra guru McCluskey running a jet engine at Torrance airport.



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[MikeFleming]

I love the high-tech, anti-creep chain!

[Patrick]

^^^ Hey, safety first!!!

[Patrick]

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See the dizzy gear oiling line in the last pic.

[Bob Holmes]

Got to like looking a a 2.3t built by a guy that builds ALMS and Indy engines for a living. Well jeweled block, Aux external oiling line, piston oil squirters etc.

[Patrick]

Could be worse.

Could have been blowed up!

Here's a nice engine that was in a Cobra at Willow Springs on 5/12/2012.

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[MikeFleming]

Give him time!

[Meotchh]

Wont blow up any time soon. The short block still mounted to an engine stand in my garage. It's destined for a cobra project in the future, aka Lisa's toy.

[Patrick]

All this time I thought that you were Lisa's toy.

[MikeFleming]

He was ...

[Bob Holmes]

I believe the Roush engine is a reverse flow configuration. I wish I could find all my pictures.

[Patrick]

Did somebody let Bob out again?

[MikeFleming]

Those engines are awfully clean for being so mangled. Someone forget to put in oil before the dyno run?

[Bob Holmes]

Those engines are awfully clean for being so mangled. Someone forget to put in oil before the dyno run?

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[blueboss]

That's from one of the pro classes in drag racing. There is oil in the engine it's just brand new. Plus, that engine got so hot that when it grenaded, the oil didn't stick to the block it just ran off much like oil on a hot skillet.

[MikeFleming]

Those head studs look reusable. Maybe.

[Chalky]

What were the specs/ parts list for Fitz' engine???

[Patrick]

What were the specs/ parts list for Fitz' engine???

You gotta be a paid member to get that info. That or bring a fifth of 18 YO Glenlivet to Knotts.

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[Pat]

More Fitz Motor Pics

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The engine had a very well thought out PCV system. I'll look to see if I can dig those pics up.

[Bob Holmes]

Fitz's engine was phenomenal. Too bad that he had the issues that he did, that caused him to go a different direction.

[caroth]

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What is the idea behind trying to polish the main caps? Why was the entire ledge machined for the squirters and not just a pad for the squirters?

[MikeFleming]

Looks like ALL of the internal surfaces were machined/polished. Fewer places for cracks to start from, I suppose.

[Chalky]

Fitz's engine was phenomenal. Too bad that he had the issues that he did, that caused him to go a different direction.

Please explain???

Looks like the main caps were shot peened and then polished. As fro internal machining/ grinding, isn't this a classic technique for removing casting "bumps" to relieve possible stress/ crack points???

[MikeFleming]

Looks like the main caps were shot peened and then polished. That would be the wrong order. ANY machining, sanding, polishing, etc. introduces stresses while the peening removes them (technically it induces them everywhere evenly - so there are not uneven surface stresses remaining after machining).

[Bob Holmes]

Yes the polishing is to remove any stress risers and to promote oil drainback.

Fitz had some problems with getting acceptable parts (remember this is a guy that built American LeMon and Indy car engines for a living), was tired of pioneering, and the resulting costs to do so. He also had some back issues at the time and knew that he couldn't spend the time and effort tinkering with the car to make it work. The complexity of the systems he created were fantastic, but there was a lot of tuning issues to resolve. His last two outings (if I recall, sometimes my memory isn't as good as I'd like it to be) resulted in blown engines.

He was instrumental in providing solutions for a number of issues I was having, too bad he swapped to a V8. But, honestly, I can understand why.

[Patrick]

SOHC 427 from the mid sixties. Pete Robinson used this method to eliminate the 10 foot long timing chain.

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He also used the SOHC 427 in this early attempt at ground effects.

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[Chalky]

Found these today.....

[Patrick]

Chalky, I bet you got those from Mark Haas.

[Chalky]

Found a couple more.....

[Chalky]

Chalky, I bet you got those from Mark Haas.

Nah. Just cruizin' on Google:):):)

[Chalky]

Bob, you can find pics of Rick's Bonneyville car here..... bottom of page

http://www.merkurencyclopedia.com/Merkur_misc/Byrnes_1998.html

[Patrick]

Which pulley drives the water pump? That will tell us if it was reverse cooling or not!

[Chalky]

Looking at it i would suggest that the water pump pulley is the one slightly above and to the left of the auxiliary shaft.

[MikeFleming]

A small collection of non-Ford race engines pics and some parts. And some carnage for Bob.
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[Bob Holmes]

Blowfish Landspeed car. Over 2000hp. They're looking to get to 300mph

[MustangRacer18]

Here's the turbo 2.3 I just put in my '93 notch DD. Im using the car also for SCCA autoX in street prepared and working on my NASA license with it going through the HPDE's. Had it out at drag strip last week and got a 14.687 ET which aint too bad since its mainly all stock aside from a light gasket match port per SCCA rules. Still has yet to be tuned. I wasn't launching hard either since it has a advance auto special svo replacement clutch in it. Once I get a spec clutch in I can pound on it harder.
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[Patrick]

Injectors and upper manifold. This is a Chrysler product.

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Tony and Dieselgeek972
We need a few more wires.
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[Patrick]

Tony pretending that he can actually read the small print that is silk screened on that circuit board.

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This runs the engine (or doesn't)
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If it doesn't, There's an old school Holley ready to go.
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So now you want to put the injection back on it??? Sonofabeotchh.
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[Kendal Coker]

Here is the last race car I had. 1990 SC thunderbird. Powered by a 70 boss 302 wilt aluminum motorsports cleveland heads. I was leading the race at the time of the pic. We crashed a couple of laps later. Ended up with a Camaro on the hood. The other is the motor I used a couple of years earlier. It is a 351C with a Bud Moore Box intake.

[Bob Holmes]

He looked like that for most of 3 days.

http://www.svocop.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=978&d=1340652508

[Patrick]

He looked like that for most of 3 days.

Yes, but he was sober. You and I had an excuse.

[Bob Holmes]

Dave Flander's MFI methanol fueled monster of an engine.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/mmfp-1201-nmra-ford-nationals-motor-city-madness-020.jpg

[Bob Holmes]

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/43318/2457034620038663969S600x600Q85.jpg

[turboj74]

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_004-3.jpg (http://s464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/?action=view&current=004-3.jpg)

Here's one in my 1970 Datsun 1200 before I sold it to Bo.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_005-4.jpg (http://s464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/?action=view&current=005-4.jpg)

[turboj74]

Inline intake:
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_007.jpg?t=1341116120 (http://s464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/?action=view&current=007.jpg)

Couple more of the engine bay:
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_100_3248.jpg?t=1341116124 (http://s464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/?action=view&current=100_3248.jpg)

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_tires012.jpg?t=1341116131 (http://s464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/?action=view&current=tires012.jpg)


http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_tires013.jpg?t=1341116135

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr3/turboj74/1970%20Datsun%201200%20Ford%202300%20turbo%20powered/th_tires014.jpg?t=1341116140

[MikeFleming]

He looked like that for most of 3 days. Looks like he's reading the teleprompter and waiting for his lines to come up.

[Bob Holmes]

Turbo J74: That is a great installation.

Did it ever run down the track. I followed its progress for a while, but can't recall if it was used for its intended purpose. Really a clean install.

[turboj74]

Bob, the car ran 10.20's @ 134-135mph with a 425 rwhp(28psi) setup through a 9" rear & a Doug Nash 5spd. The next setup with the Boport stage 3 head/cam combo & Powerglide made 502 rwhp on the dyno but never made it to the track before it was sold to Bo. That same engine combo is now in my SVO but only running 20psi & pump gas instead of 30+ with racing gas. Someday Bo will have himself a fast machine. 500rwhp should easily put him into the mid 9's. I'm sure you have seen some of the fab pics since he bought the car. Can't wait to see it in action again.
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[Bob Holmes]

Thanks, I appeciate the information.

[Patrick]

Old school midget

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Cop Engine.

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[Bob Holmes]

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2.9 NA engine powering a Lincoln at Bonneville. 164ish time.

[Patrick]

BME Ford based engine. Note, that's not a dry sump pump. It's a fuel pump.
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Inside the BME trailer, with piston/rod sets ready for replacement.
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Gurney Weslake heads on a GT40.
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289 Cobra
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Injected "poopy" engine in a Devin. The Mitsubishi alternator didn't appear vintage to me.
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Always bring a spare.
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[Lanes84s]

As long as we aren't sticking to regular engines lol


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c88.0.403.403/p403x403/283786_10150967234611190_687239711_n.jpg

[rickibrat2]

Old school midget


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midject brings back many memories from a timelon ago, when my wife and i use to races those type of cars very young were started at 12 years old racing them on north cal tracks with our grandfather our cars were from the 40's but it was ok we had a lot of fun and won our share of races at a local level never much at state levels, but with work and schoolback then it was still funny got to know many ohers and even other kids we used to be friends with before her death at age 19

[mrzw70]

Got to go on a private tour of the TRD race shop, Joe Gibbs Racing and Michael Waltrip Racing in Charlotte, NC. I'm not a huge NASCAR fan by any means but the shops were pretty impressive. Talked to some of the fab guys and had a good time, all through work. I work for Toyota in case you hadn't picked up on the ties between the shops. Here are a few of the pics I took during the tours...
Current NASCAR Engine
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/3F0FD09D-AD40-423C-9D17-05C9903DC7B8-23101-00002552A3DBC6C3.jpg
Toyota Indycar Motor
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/C1C0021C-328A-43F4-ABFD-6ADD7D30AD33-23101-000025526A68C63F.jpg
Another Toyota engine ( maybe champ car )
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/03CB0457-88DA-42FB-B286-5987C3C18DAB-23101-000025527F1999DA.jpg

[mrzw70]

More pics from the trip. Ford Power...
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/6B0AB7EF-EDA7-4949-AF04-65DA5124201C-23101-0000255296F62A3E.jpg
Poopy engine exploded...
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/DB309837-1B9D-42A2-9FF4-3AE1B2869F59-23101-0000255C0D3BD059.jpg
More TRD stuff...
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/A16DA5E2-1583-4177-8DB0-339D2B786D00-23101-0000255C1679ABED.jpg

[Meotchh]

Got to go on a private tour of the TRD race shop, Joe Gibbs Racing and Michael Waltrip Racing in Charlotte, NC. I'm not a huge NASCAR fan by any means but the shops were pretty impressive. Talked to some of the fab guys and had a good time, all through work. I work for Toyota in case you hadn't picked up on the ties between the shops. Here are a few of the pics I took during the tours...


Another Toyota engine ( maybe champ car )
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/03CB0457-88DA-42FB-B286-5987C3C18DAB-23101-000025527F1999DA.jpg

Engine on the left was Indy car circa 2004/2005
Engine on the right was CART circa 2000/2001

[MikeFleming]

Poopy engine exploded...
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk133/mrzw70/DB309837-1B9D-42A2-9FF4-3AE1B2869F59-23101-0000255C0D3BD059.jpg

In the pre-exploded engine above, note the LONG rod and extremely short piston height with the closeness of the thin ring package.

[llv mech]

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[notacarlo]

Don't kill me....one of my all time favorites.

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[Sick Puppy]

Always bring a spare.
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Just saw this one on an episode of "Counting Cars"...it now has FOUR superchargers on it!
Must be tough to see where you are going...lol

[Sick Puppy]

Found it...

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[MikeFleming]

Some assorted pics.
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[MikeFleming]

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[dew34]

Mike I have never seen boosters safety wired before interesting.

[MikeFleming]

Mike I have never seen boosters safety wired before interesting. That is required by NASCAR.

[dew34]

Is this to keep the throttle from hanging open if one were to fall into the carb holding the throttle blade open?

[MikeFleming]

^
Yes.