Bob's wannabe Racecar, the Blue Bitch

[Bob Holmes]

Here's the beauty shot, I'll try to reconstruct the pictorial history overy the next few days. Its about impossible to reconstruct the trials, tribulations and angst from the original thread. Trust me to say that pioneering a bunch of solutions, hiring crappy consultants, half-assed shop experiences and blowing up damn near everything just can't be recreated. But, we're on the crux of getting this thing back on the track, so hang on for another e-ticket ride.

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[Bob Holmes]

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[Bob Holmes]

Early build slideshow (click on the picture):

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We bought a "ready to race" (LOL) '89 coupe, sans engine, from Portland Oregon. My brother and I raced up there in Big Red (the '88 crewcab diesel dually) and round tripped it in about 28 hours. Nothing like going over the Siskyous at about 30 miles an hour. Car broke loose in the trailer in Grants Pass after negotiating a particularly brutal driveway exit at the local Wendy's. Luckily we caught the issue pretty quickly.

When we got it home we found that the cage just wasn't up to the task, and mission creep quickly took hold. Suffice it to say that the only things used from the original car are: The roof, floorpan and firewall, the 8.8 rearend, and parts of the brake system.

[MikeFleming]

Hmmm ... .Fascinating story.

Tell me more!

[Bob Holmes]

Are you mocking me?

[svslow]

I love Wendy's.

[Larry_S]

Those CCWs are sure pretty on a Mustang. I am curious to know what you ended up doing for tune/standalone system. I know you had issues for a while and curious how you sorted out as I would prefer to learn from others trials than have same issues. Also will be curious to know if you can build a reliable 2.3/2.5 that put's up with rigors of track duty with heat soak and whatnot. Form the stories I have heard makes me consider a lsx powerplant considering I have not heard of anyone who has been able to build a reliable ~400hp 2.3 for track duty i.e. 30 minute sessions on track.

[GLASSMAN]

i think vinces red devil will kick the crap out of you blue beauty. lol:stick_poke:

[Bob Holmes]

Those CCWs are sure pretty on a Mustang. I am curious to know what you ended up doing for tune/standalone system. I know you had issues for a while and curious how you sorted out as I would prefer to learn from others trials than have same issues. Also will be curious to know if you can build a reliable 2.3/2.5 that put's up with rigors of track duty with heat soak and whatnot. Form the stories I have heard makes me consider a lsx powerplant considering I have not heard of anyone who has been able to build a reliable ~400hp 2.3 for track duty i.e. 30 minute sessions on track.


Used a Haltech, which is very poorly supported. We finally got it to run correctly when we rewired it ourselves and Scott Clark (Dieselgeek) came out and tuned it for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjA9qzFbeWM

As to whether or not someone can build an engine that will live at 400hp, your guess is as good as mine. I'm limited to 300rwhp. We're going to give it at least one more try.

[Bob Holmes]

i think vinces red devil will kick the crap out of you blue beauty. lol:stick_poke:

meh...


At the moment, if Vince's is running, it'll certainly kick the crap out of it. Mine's entered in the projackstand category.

[Larry_S]

I'll be curiously watching hoping you can make it last. I think ~350 at the wheels will be plenty of fun for me. My street car will be quite a bit heavier. I just recall hearing many that have tried have had a hard time making last under race conditions. Good luck to you.

[AKA BB]

Looks SLOW... I bet my Lemons racer could whoop your cars AZZ...... :p

[AKA BB]

755756

Look that DYNO Graph, bet you never seen nothing so pretty..... :D

[Bob Holmes]

755756

Look that DYNO Graph, bet you never seen nothing so pretty..... :D

LOL, like I said, if yours is running, it'll beat my jackstand queen. Good to see something in action.

[AKA BB]

Yea it runs, though i recently broke the PANHARD bar... that sucked..

Your car is gorgeous though no matter where its sitting, beside i have a SVO on jackstands also....

Can you believe the above dyno was ran after nearly 18 hours of racing.... Clogged fuel filter caused the motor to starve for fuel... who would of thought a lima could live at 21:1 + A/F ratio..FOR THAT LONG..... the dyno operator had to be persuaded to continue the run, he did not want to blow it up lol... 27WHP at 6k........ LOL

[Bob Holmes]

That's awesome. They are damn near unkillable in NA trim .

[MikeFleming]

27WHP at 6k........ LOL That there is bragging rights for sure.

[vrinner]

At the moment mine is running. Just need time to take it to the track. Pretty lame excuse but it's all I got.

[AKA BB]

That there is bragging rights for sure.

admit it, your jealous....... :p

[AKA BB]

That's awesome. They are damn near unkillable in NA trim .

EXACTLY what i was thinking after seeing the Dyno chart..

[MikeFleming]

admit it, your jealous....... :p Right. My Prius produces ~40HP just in electric mode. 267 Ft-Lbs at ZERO RPM.

[GLASSMAN]

Right. My Prius produces ~40HP just in electric mode. 267 Ft-Lbs at ZERO RPM.



LMFAO, OMFG, THATS AWESOME. them prius's have some get up and go off the line, don't they mike?

[MikeFleming]

^
I'm still working on the Launch Control software.

[AKA BB]

i know i know , thread jacking, but Mike any chance you want to do a tug of war.... your prius vs my Touareg.... Its just a little V6..... 406ftlbs at 2100

Blue race cars ROCK!

[Bob Holmes]

Looks SLOW... I bet my Lemons racer could whoop your cars AZZ...... :p


That's Drunken AZZ if you please...!!!

[MikeFleming]

That's Drunken AZZ if you please...!!! I would go with Druggen AZZ.

[Chalky]

Right. My Prius produces ~40HP just in electric mode. 267 Ft-Lbs at ZERO RPM.

Doesn't stop 'em being pig ugly!!! I'll take a Model S thanks!!!!!

[Bob Holmes]

Okay, I need some motivation. I want to get the BB to Fabulous Fords in 2013.

So start kicking me in the ass until I get it done. I think I'll finely get the Docs release on the 19th.

If I showed pictures of the current condition of BB, it would make the most hardened shed a tear.

[Meotchh]

Get your ass in gear dammitt!! We'll be sure to kick you in the arse when we are out there next weekend.

You better find a way to Sturgis as well. We may have an extra car or two to be driven from Seattle next year if you are not bringing one of your own.

[MikeFleming]

NO! NO! NO!

DO NOT KILL Flat Bob!!!

[Patrick]

NO! NO! NO!

DO NOT KILL Flat Bob!!!

I can make another one just like him.

[MikeFleming]

^
Brilliant!

I think we should start a car club and name it after you!

[vrinner]

Okay, I need some motivation. I want to get the BB to Fabulous Fords in 2013.

So start kicking me in the ass until I get it done. I think I'll finely get the Docs release on the 19th.

If I showed pictures of the current condition of BB, it would make the most hardened shed a tear.

Dear Bob...Although by no means a great representation of an SVO on the race track...it is an SVO on the race track non the less. You know what...it's not even baby/powder blue! OK...Ford racing blue...whatever

:)


http://youtu.be/yj6sJHuCs7U

Here are my suggestions that I am more than willing to step up to. Call it, "Pay it forward...or would that be backward?"

Prior to the 2013 Knotts show we do a pilgrimage to Bob's place (or where ever the car is) for a couple of days and get that thing ready. I can kill two birds with one stone with this trip. We can get that blue turd ready for the track and show and I'll bring Diana, you can put her to work at the horse stables and get any notion of her wanting a horse out of her system!

Or, a couple of days prior to Knotts, you come down, we setup shop at my place and we get that thing ready for the track and the show. I'm sure we can get plenty of help.

[MikeFleming]

Or, a couple of days prior to Knotts, you come down, bring the car and a horse, we setup shop at my place and we get that thing ready for the track and the show. I'm sure we can get plenty of help.

Then take the car & horse back home after Knotts. Fixed.

[Bob Holmes]

Mike, I knew there was a reason that I got along with you.

Vince: We should talk. Exposing your wife to a horse farm could do more harm than good. She might like it!!

I'm probably more inclined to haul the thing to your house and finish it there, if it came to that.

Thanks for the offer.

[Meotchh]

http://youtu.be/yj6sJHuCs7U

Nice video, that should be enough motivation Bob! Now get that Flat SOB to work on the blue bitch!

[Bob Holmes]

And yes, thank you for the video. That looks great. Glad to see that you got things working.

[vrinner]

It works, just need more power. Only getting 220ish at the wheels plus some exhaust leak issues. Common Bob...we can get that blue bitch working. I really need to return the favor(s). Just tell me when and where and I'll be there.

[Bob Holmes]

Sounds good, Vince!!

On your car, I thought you had a more powerful engine on a stand. ??

[Bob Holmes]

OK add another goal for the BB next racing season...NASA Nationals. They are bringing it back to Miller Motorsports Park, which is east of the Rockies. As much as I'd like to go to Mid-Ohio, that's too long of a pull for this guy.

So...MMP will be the venue for 2013 and 2014. We have to get it there and give it a whirl. I may not drive, but the car needs to make it.

Then I'll sell the damn thing and get on with my Bonneville itch!!

[SVOC]

Hmmm I have a few mixed thoughts on what I read, I'll absorb this and report back.

[Bob Holmes]

Hmmm I have a few mixed thoughts on what I read, I'll absorb this and report back.

The Love/Hate/Loathe relationship with this car drives me nuts.

The Lovely Donna says I need to take a couple of rides with some instructors to see if I can handle the g-forces and quick changes in direction. If the vertigo and dizzyness doesn't appear, I'll drive.

[Bob Holmes]

The two big tasks are rebuilding the transmission and tearing the engine down, cleaning out all the fragg'd aux shaft and cam synch gear guts out of it, and put it back together.

The fuel cell needs to be checked, fuel system flushed, etc.

I really need to tear the whole car down, check everything, put it back together and retorque everything.

First NASA NorCal event is early February. Geoff still has this weekend and the second weekend of November on track and then he's going to crew on a 25 hour team. He won't be worth a crap until late December after that. LOL

[MikeFleming]

The Love/Hate/Loathe relationship with this car drives me nuts.

The Lovely Donna says I need to take a couple of rides with some instructors to see if I can handle the g-forces and quick changes in direction. If the vertigo and dizzyness doesn't appear, I'll drive. Or you could go to one of the many formula car driver training programs and see how well you do in those cars - under g-forces and speed. They certainly will be higher than your blue car will be capable of.

[Bob Holmes]

Scott and I are going to swipe the engine from Geoff's garage and bring it to mine, this weekend. Time to get to work.

[Bob Holmes]

First task completed. When we get back from PRI we'll get it completely torn down and then take it to Scott's work and put the block and head in the cleaning cabinet.

[Bob Holmes]

Looks like we'll get going on teardown this weekend. Mike Shriver is coming over Friday, we'll tear things down, clean everything thoroughly and decide how to enhance the dizzy gear reliability. I've got a new aux shaft at hand, and just picked up a new cam synchronizer. I'm trying to decide whether or not to WPC treat them (http://www.wpctreatment.com/) shot peen them, cryo them, etc. WPC is at PRI, so I'll talk to them there. We'll run an M127 oil pump; if I recall, the proshop that did the assembly on the engine spec'd the HV, which I think we all agree puts a strain on the gears.

[Patrick]

Can't run a dry sump per the rules? How about an external wet sump pump?

[Bob Holmes]

No dry sump allowed. We own a wet sump pump, but we're going to give this one more try.

[Jack Hidley]

Bob,

Just get rid of the HV oil pump. I have seen these destroy more distributor gears than I can count. If the engine is built properly (correct bearing clearances), it doesn't need a HV pump.

On the 2.3l is it possible to drill a hole in the oil passage to get oil squirting directly on the gear interface?

[Bob Holmes]

JACK! Welcome aboard.

I was surprised to find the HV in there when we yanked the engine. I thought we had instructed the shop to NOT use the HV. Something was lost in translation.

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I ended up with a bout of pneumonia, so Mike and I will be pulling the engine apart this weekend. (yep, I'll take pics) I'd like to be at the 25 hours of THill this weekend, there are a couple of teams with streaming video, you guys should look it up.

[Raven855]

25 hours starts shortly, are you going to make it? I would love to see some course footage as we have nasty weather coming in and I may get snow bound.

[Bob Holmes]

Sorry, Tony. Stayed home and tore down the engine instead. I've crewed on the 25 before, its a grind.

[Bob Holmes]

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[Bob Holmes]

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Wilton engine hoist.

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Mike getting started

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Bo Stage 3 head, 2.1 cam.

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[Bob Holmes]

"So what do you think?" with Lee

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Pan sectioned to fit K-member

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[Bob Holmes]

Hmmm, so why does this gear/shaft thing keep happening:

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[Bob Holmes]

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Tables of engine

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[Bob Holmes]

Next is to finish pulling down the head and then take the head and block to be boiled and cleaned. I've already got new rod and main bearings. I'll get a new gasket set then start putting it back together.

[Jack Hidley]

Bob,

If the distributor gear is pinned to the shaft at the wrong height, it will wipe the gear out on the leading or trailing gear surface. With the distributor out of the engine, there should be some shaft endplay, say 0.010". When the distributor is installed in the block, you should be able to rotate the distributor shaft clockwise and counter clockwise some amount. The total of these angles, forward and backwards, should correspond to the total amount of shaft endplay out of the block. If the distributor gear is at the wrong height on the shaft, when installed there can be zero endplay. This results in a constant thrust load at the gear interface, which wears it out.

Comp Cams does make a composite distributor gear. I've talked to people who said it more than doubled the gear life.

The distributor gear installation info linked below is for small block Ford V8s, but you can probably interpolate from the provided data to see if the gear on your 2.3l distributor is set up properly.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-12390-ABCDEFGHJKL.pdf

[Bob Holmes]

Thanks a bunch, Jack.


It looks like the distributor gear may have been bottoming out in the aux shaft. The dizzy gears were rolled over, while the aux gears were simply worn away. They had a concave appearance. I think we had a bunch of tolerance stackups that caused the problem. The offshore cam synch had way too much play in the shaft, there is some fretting on the back of the aux shaft locating plate, which leads me to believe that the shaft was being thrust into the plate. Melling told me that the oil pump will cavitate at between 3,000rpm and 3,500rpm camshaft speed. This could also be a contributor to the problem. Its also why I will change to the re-engineered M127 pump.


Thanks for the references, I'll look into the gear and also review the Ford info.

[Raven855]

Say it ain't so. Please. You have meticulous care in assembly, diagnosing and construction in the rest of the car. I know you studied technical papers, read tons of articles, searched and read posts in forums all over the Internet and were very active in oil systems discussion. You even got bucket posts from me and you already had the reference material from Melling and the post link from Jack. (Although the replacement gear was great info, Thanks Jack!) You are only revving to 6800, unless you are running some thick A$$ stuff for oil you probably don't have a cavitation issue. Have you opened up the pump to see? According to Melling "cavitation is a function of the inlet design of an oil pump. The vapor pressure of the oil versus the pressure drop that occurs from the oil pan pickup to the pump is what creates the conditions that lead to cavitation. If the pressure drop is greater than about 4 psi, vapor bubbles will form inside the pump. The bubbles will collapse on the high pressure output side of the pump. But when they do, the force generated by the implosion of the bubbles can erode the metal surfaces in the pump." I think the change to the 127 pump is a good idea, you can buy a 3/4" pick up tube for it. Again according to Melling, "The point at which cavitation starts to occur depends on pump speed and the size of the pickup tube, says Osterhaus. “Up until the early 1990s, GM used a 5/8˝ OD pickup tube on its V8 engines. In 1993, GM changed to a larger 3/4˝ tube that flowed better and produced less cavitation." I would be careful running .01 end clearance on the distributor. It is an aluminum housing and the expansion rates are different from a iron housing. Vizard in some of his books recommends .02 for aluminum and .01 for iron housings. Fords minimum specs calls for .02". I run .015 but take the opportunity to not only phase the rotor but replace the shaft pin which breaks. Vizard in his book say the plates were a problem on the older engine and to replace them to avoid problems. There has also been documented problems with the retaining holes in the block being shallow. When the bolts are torque down, there can still be movement in the plate. How about some info, what oil are you running, idle pressure? high pressure? Stock pickup? Anything for aeration control? Blond or brunnete, Something has got you distracted. Rant over, time for breakfast and some Christmas cookies!

[MikeFleming]

I suspect that if you had an oil cavitation problem, the rod bearings would be the first to go.

[Bob Holmes]

Take a breath Tony. :)

[Meotchh]

Pan sectioned to fit K-member

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What kind of hokey ass K-member are you running that requires sectioning the oil pan?:stick_poke:

[Bob Holmes]

Yeah, you know.

[Meotchh]

Yeah, you know.

Dammit man, just follow the advice of the designer/engineer/owner & "whack it with a pipe"! "You just need to dimple it a little".

[Bob Holmes]

Ok, we are going to try and get this garbage scow to Knott's. I've cleared the DD distractions and we should begin to get this thing together this weekend. My buddy, Mike Shriver, and I are going to get the engine assembled this weekend. We've received the balanced rotating assembly, and Bo shipped us the reconditioned and assembled head.

The major issues are:

Assemble engine
Borrow transmission out of the totaled "Hoser"
Install mated engine and transmission in the BB Mustang.
Sort out the wiring.
Figure out a dash board
Install the fuel cell
Sort out the fuel system
Make sure it'll start
Make it presentable for a non-racing, show setting.

There will be pictures.

[Meotchh]

Wiring? That's the easy part. If it doesn't start, we'll supply you with a megaphone so you can sit in the driver seat & make engine noises with your mouth.

Don't forget to register that as an SVO!

[Bob Holmes]

I did register as an SVO.

[Bob Holmes]

Its a sorry sight :(:

:(
We went from this:
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To this:
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[Bob Holmes]

But we've begun the work to get it back on the road:
Setting up for the engine build, looking through the parts. Refurbished head from Bo-Port.com, my long time supporter Bo Christman, sitting there waiting to go.
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[vrinner]

I've seen worse. Wish I was closer to help you out. Like I said on FB, just get the car running so you can drive it into the Knotts show, bring it here and we can spend a couple of all nighters getting it looking good. I've got some red paint left over to help!

[Bob Holmes]

And I'm sure that Pat still has a thumbprint he can lend. LOL

[Bob Holmes]

Raw material

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Checking and rechecking that pesky dizzy gear/aux shaft problem area before installation (Thanks for all the help again, Mike)

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Mike is of the opinion that the Cam Synchronizer's unbalanced rotor may be contributing to the issue. We discussed how to balance it, perhaps putting a small spot weld on the light side.

Oiling up the studs

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[Bob Holmes]

Getting everything gooped up.

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We finished up with the mains, rods and pistons.

[Bob Holmes]

Painting a cam cover:

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Doing some work:

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[Bob Holmes]

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75lbs of cast iron:

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[Bob Holmes]

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Turbo stuff:

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[Bob Holmes]

More test fitting:

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[Bob Holmes]

I'd like to build a heat shield, so I mocked one up with some card stock. Still fiddling with it.

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[Bob Holmes]

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[Bob Holmes]

We have the transmission back from the shop. Now its time to put everything back together and stuff it in the car.

[Patrick]

You need a QD for that cardboard before you burn it up.

[Bob Holmes]

The engine is back at Geoff's. We'll hope to get it installed, with the newly rebuilt tranmission (er, gearbox) this weekend.

[Chalky]

Ever considered a thermal barrier coating???

[Patrick]

Ever considered a thermal barrier coating???
Bob uses that on his blended Margaritas (with salt, of course!).

[Bob Holmes]

Chalky, I think we are going to do something different than what was pictured. The manifold is already wrapped, the heat scorching we are getting to the water and oil return lines still won't be fixed. Unfortunately, those problems can't be fixed by the thermal barrier coatings, either.

[Meotchh]

Gold foil wrapped around a silicon heat resistant cover.

[Bob Holmes]

Yeahhhhhhh, that's the ticket.

[Chalky]

Gold foil wrapped around a silicon heat resistant cover.

Call NASA, I hear they're looking for $$'s:):):)

[Meotchh]

I'd like to build a heat shield, so I mocked one up with some card stock. Still fiddling with it.

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I think you are looking for something more like this...4313


http://www.atpwrap.com/html/alloyracing.html

They built the inconel shield in the pic above:
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They also supplied us with the material we used to make our header bags for in CART. If you had an inconel shield in place, you would likely have no more heat issues with your drain line.

Another company that makes the inconel covers: http://www.turblown.net/store/index.php?productID=126

I can also check with my buddy back in Indy for where he purchases his inconel shileding for his kit air planes. He fabs his own bags & just uses a spot welder from harbor freight to tack them together. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=Spot+Welders

[MikeFleming]

Bob - I have a question.

Why isn't the engine blue??

[Bob Holmes]

Mitch, I wish I had that kind of money. Maybe on the next upgrade.

Mike...cause.

[Meotchh]

Mitch, I wish I had that kind of money. Maybe on the next upgrade.
Work on sponsors Bob.

You want to get pricing on the material so you can make a stab at it?

[Bob Holmes]

Wouldn't hurt

[SVOC]

Time for a little derailment.....................

Bob are you using a T-5 "Dog Box" or just a warmed over "Z Spec" T-5 with a turned down input shaft, some of us would like to know ;)


Jeff

[Bob Holmes]

Neither.

[Bob Holmes]

The engine and transmission are in. Driveshaft is installed.

[MikeFleming]

Party On, Wayne!!

[Bob Holmes]

:runningdog:

[Meotchh]

:runningdog:
if you don't have video we don't believe you. You're banned, until you post video of that thing running.

[MikeFleming]

Bob, what you *could* do to entertain Mitch is get some video with the camera pointed at a wall, or laying on the drivers seat,with the video recording the sounds the engine running.

Just a thought.

[Bob Holmes]

Well, this is on hiatus. Due to the continuing vertigo issues I have from the accident last year, I can't drive it as it would be unsafe for both me and anyone I'm on track with. I've made an offer to my partner to buy me out. We'll see what happens.

[MikeFleming]

Big Sigh.

[SVOC]

Bob, they'd never notice in Chump Car Challenge :stick_poke:

[brsvo]

Sorry to hear that after all the time and effort you put in.

[Bob Holmes]

Well, the partner, and his potential new partner, decided that the car is too expensive to run. They'll stick with Miatas.

Looks like time will have to pass and we'll see if we can get it going, and I can cure the symptoms.

[MikeFleming]

Take flying lessons. That'll cure your vertigo if it doesn't kill you first.

[Bob Holmes]

Why didn't I think of that.

[MikeFleming]

You were busy thinking about selling your race car. That's understandable.

[Bob Holmes]

Finally some work getting done. We've pulled the Haltech and are rewiring for a DIYautotune MS3pro.
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[vrinner]

Glad to see your working on it again. Want to have it ready for Vegas maybe?

[brsvo]

Also glad to see you are working on it does this mean the vertigo is cured? I think you will get a lot more support for the MS3 format-maybe no more blowing up things!!! Would sure like to see the Bob/Vrinner race come to light!

[Bob Holmes]

Not going to make Vegas, I only wish we were.

[Bob Holmes]

Its running on its new MS3Pro. Easy startup after we figured out a problem with the injector driver. Today we fiddled with the gauge configuration. We've replaced the normal set of gauges with a tablet that links with a wifi set-up driven by the ECU.

Looks like we'll go to the dyno in late August-early September.

[MikeFleming]

We've replaced the normal set of gauges with a tablet that links with a wifi set-up driven by the ECU. Is the tablet vibration rated??


Looks like we'll go to the dyno in late August-early September. Party On, Wayne!!

[Bob Holmes]

Yeah, Mike, that's a great question. Probably not. I'll have to talk to Scott.

[MikeFleming]

From my experience with assorted touch-screen tablets and smart phones, they don't work well on the "Touch" idea with gloves on. The touch needs to be harder cause the glove spreads it over a wider area where it often hits too many cells to work as desired.

The higher intensity of low and mid-frequency vibrations might also be a serious problem in the race car. There's not much suspension and engine cushioning in there. If you're gonna find a good way to shock mount the display, I will get you some good damping rubber-like stuff to surround the mounts with that we use it on the telescopes - excellent damping characteristics. Tell me what thickness and I'll scrounge.

[Bob Holmes]

I will definitely take you up on that. Let me figure out what we need.

The driver should not not need to touch the screen. There won't be any controls associated, its just a gauge setup.

[Bob Holmes]

Should be coming off the jackstands tomorrow. Nut & bolt, flush and bleed the brakes and clutch, clean up some wiring, mount the nose, do a rough alignment. Dyno day set for the 20th of September.

Partner bought another Miata. Sigh...

[MikeFleming]

Partner bought another Miata. Sigh... We should ban him ... until his next race.

[Bob Holmes]

I should have Vince pilot it, that way he'd know what it's like to drive a racecar...:p

:runningdog:

[vrinner]

I would love to drive that thing. I'm telling you, my car/driver combo handles awesome although lacking on power. So what does your car weigh? And if under 2800lbs what do you think are the major factors on your car vs. mine. I'm sure I could shave off 50 or so pounds with some of the interior bling. But other than that, not sure why my car weighs so much.

[Bob Holmes]

2560 with Fat Bob in the seat.

You'd probably kick our ass. Yours has seen some development time, whereas ours looks good on paper, and blows up on the track. So the biggest issue is that you have reliability and we don't.

Our suspensions are different. Our brakes are different, etc.

I do think it would be fun to go to the same event and trade cars. You'd better drive ours first, that way you'd get a taste before it broke down. LOL

[vrinner]

2560 with Fat Bob in the seat.

You'd probably kick our ass. Yours has seen some development time, whereas ours looks good on paper, and blows up on the track. So the biggest issue is that you have reliability and we don't.

Our suspensions are different. Our brakes are different, etc.

I do think it would be fun to go to the same event and trade cars. You'd better drive ours first, that way you'd get a taste before it broke down. LOL

Reliability aside...do you think it's mostly suspension adding weight. The Maximum Motorsports full grip pit does have a lot of parts.

[brsvo]

Don't know how it relates to your cars but the hatchbacks were always heavier than the notch's.

[Bob Holmes]

Vince, I doubt its the suspension pieces.

My car is a taco. Plus, brsvo is correct. I specifically chose the notch due to the lower weight. The fenders are fiberglass, the hood is carbon fiber (I can carry it one handed). Everything that could be cut out, was. The front fascia is plastic, it has very little structure other than a meaty bump bar under the fascia. Basically, other than the roof, we removed all extraneous weight. I've threatened to pull the roof skin and chop out the reinforcement, but Geoff likes the extra protection. All windows are lexan.

So its not one thing, its a few big ones and a lot of little ones.

[Bob Holmes]

Oh, and we're at the dyno at 9:00 am Saturday.

[MikeFleming]

How about no more carnage reports this time?? K? Do I need to pre-ban you as a reminder?

I assume a fresh home-brewed E85 batch?

[vrinner]

Oh, and we're at the dyno at 9:00 am Saturday.

Good luck!

[Bob Holmes]

Needed more luck.

Wastegate wouldn't work properly and the injector driver burned up.

Sigh...

This car hates me. I'm about to use the salt and candles routine, but substitute gasoline for the salt, and then light it with the candle.